[Bolling5] SC
Rockhouse Pottery
ouch at rtmc.net
Mon Mar 29 13:45:39 CDT 2010
Regarding the name Drury Boling (spellings) he and a Sterling Bolden,
both used the name Bolden, lived in NC and removed to SC where I think
they used the name Bolden on the census. Only once were they listed as
Bollings in NC. Usually the name was Bouldin (spellings).
Mark Bolling, the name was from the Mark family, not the name Markus so
far as I known. From Surry Co.
Also the date 1796 birth year for a Mark Bolling may in fact be a son of
an earlier son of Benjamin Bolling and his wife Sarah or a brother John
or even a grandchild of either.
This is why it's confused. A John Bolling who lived adjacent to Benjamin
Bolling and Sarah "must" be the brother of Benjamin Bolling m. Sarah and
would then have had children (group 6) and perhaps a son John born about
the time Benjamin II was born.
Be sure this is confused as I have looked at dates and names for these
two men which is crossed up. For example Benjamin m Sarah did not have
two children named John but dates of 1773 or 4 and 1785 have been found
for John. That's a big range. Nor are all the children known. Charles
Steed married a daughter of Ben m Sarah. Ben and Charles ran the Poor
House till Ben died in 1832 in "Randolph Co., NC". Sarah died about the
same time also in "Randolph Co., NC".
It would be easier to sort these people if someone threw a wammy on the
Bollings, (spellings) all of them and get their DNA checked. Any witches
out there? Ken
> Doris, I am not connecting Jonathan Lee Bolding and Rebecca Powell to my
> direct line Bolding. I am only doing research on all of the group 5
> Bolding's. It is my understanding that the DNA, of the Jonathan Lee
> Bolding/Rebecca Powell descendants is group 5. You probably already know
> (from your remarks about A. Deason Smith) that Jonathan Lee Bolding's
> father is William Bolding, born about 1786, Virginia, married abt 1805
> Mary Liverman (born about 1787). II have no further knowledge of William
> Bolding. Mary Liverman's father is Jonathan Liverman. I do know (as I
> am sure you do also) that the three known sons of William Bolding and
> Mary Liverman are Jonathan Lee Bolding (born abt 1806), Leonard Dyson
> Bolding (born abt 1818) and William Riley Bolding (born 20 Jul 1820). I
> do sympathize with your frustration! Yvonne
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "Doris A.W. Oakes" <dawoakes at att.net>
> To: Bolling Family Group 5 <bollingresearch at bolling5.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bolling5] Fw: Re: Joseph Bolden, Greenville SC
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:31:38 -0600
>
> 26 March 2010
>
> Yvonne - the book I have, even the revised edition of 1985 done by a
> committee of family members. So I well recognize the snips quoted here
> from that book.
>
> Now I need to ask you more details as to just how are you connecting you
> Bolding family to this Bolding family of Pickens Co. SC?
>
> At one time A Deason Smith tried to connect the William b. 1786 father to
> the Pickens Co. SC families to the James d. 1771 families or somewhere to
> John/Rebecca's families. At least that is how I understood what he was
> saying in the conversation we had.
>
> For some unknown reason it still brothers me that the John/Rebecca couple
> is confused with my John/Mary Tarpley Bolling/Bolding generation.
> Something just isn't right some how and I can't seem to get rid of this
> gnawing I get from time to time. If anyone has any suggestion to help me
> clear this gnawing, I'd welcome it. ha. As if that is one, then why is
> it that we have such a close DNA to John of Sullivan, and not be able to
> further clarify that connection?
>
> Well - just asking questions to let you know that I never stop pondering
> and thinking about these families. Of late I've especially been working
> with the Pickens Co. SC families.
> Doris
>
> waltyvonne at netzero.net wrote: I believe that I do have a Benjamin Marcus
> Bolding/all spellings
>> somewhere in my files on my computer that I cannot access. When
>> and if I am able to get the computer fixed (it won't even boot up
>> at present) I will check the name "Mark" or Marcus" for you.
>>
>> Yvonne
>
> Doris, the Marcus (Benjamin Marcus or Mark Bolding (Bowlin) that I have
> in my database was born about 1846 in Pickens South Carolina, died 16 Dec
> 1928 in Pickens, SC and is the son of Jonathan Lee Bolding (Bowlin) and
> Rebecca Powell. He married Catherine Garrett,born 7 Apr 1847 in Pickens,
> South Carolina:
> A Pioneer Citizen of the Peak Ridge Section of Pickens County, SC by
> Agnes Bolding Lesley:
> p. 15:
> "In 1790, about the time Ninety Six District was divided and this section
> called Pendleton District with Greenville adjoining, a Joseph Bowlin
> bought land near Seneca River....In 1798, a Joseph Bolen owned land near
> the Saluda River. On the roll of Shoal Creek Church, near Fort Prince
> George, were the names of Edward and Seleigh Bolden in 1796, and William
> and Mary Bolding in 1804. [Shoal Creek is now Chauga in the present
> county of Oconee]. On 18 Mile Creek in 1807 a Drury and Mary Bolen
> (Bowlen) lived. Also in 1808, a Thomas and Charity Bolin (Bowlin). Over
> in Greenville District across the Saluda lived several of the name.
> p. 16: This Book is concerned with the Boldings who settled and built up
> the section in the northeastern part of Pendleton District [a few years
> later to be called Pickens District, with the courthouse on Keowee River
> not far from where De Soto and his party crossed in their westward trek
> in 1540. The census records in Washington list this as Jonathan's
> birthplace. His descendants have always bee told that he was of Virginia
> parentage. Since the census records gave only the names of othe heads of
> households until 1850, there can be no definite determining whether John
> or William Bolding, the two settlers from Virginia who bought land in the
> early beginning of the 1800's, was the father of Jonathan. However, all
> indication shows William to be the one (no direct proof).....William's
> land deed as a notation below its recording date of 1812 that is one
> given in lieu of the original deed that was destroyed by fire when the
> house of said William Bolding was burned by fire. Jonathan was born in
> 1806, according to census records, so William or John or both were living
> here before buying land of their own.
> p. 17. John Bolding bought 150 acres on Six Mile Creek from John Hellum
> in 1812, and 130 acres from Alec Murphree on Six Mile Creek in 1815. He
> sold the first part of Chris Vickery three years after buying it and the
> second part to Isaac Durham in 1824. There are no more available records
> of John Boldling, no is his name listed on any other transation, witness,
> or otherwise.....of William Bolding, there are enough records to show
> quite a story. His name and Jonathan's are linked together
> frequently.....William's homeplace was comprised of 80 acres which he had
> brought from Edward Gregory on Gregory's Creek, on the road "from Secona
> to Keowee." Jonathan's descendants have heard over and over that there
> were three boys, Jonathan, Buck and Dyson. The latter two went to Georgia
> when young.
> p. 19: Daniel Stephen's wife was named Morning. Other names in the
> locality were Keturah, Kizziah, Demaris, Lindamira, and Thursey. These
> were people and times that Jonathan Bolding knew as a boy. He married a
> slender, dark-eyed girl named Rebecca Powell in 1829 or 1830. She came
> from a Methodist family and they were to church not farm from Gregory's
> Creek at an old meeting-house called Twelve Mile. He was six years older
> than she. It appears that William Powell was her father [ no direct
> proof]. She had a sister, Elvina, a brother Sampson, and possibly was a
> sister of Allen....William Gilmore Simms, a contemporary of Jonathan,
> wrote in his South Carolina history that at that time travel was very
> difficult and slow.
> p. 20: The year that Jonathan got married, William sold out to John
> Clayton. He seemed to go from bad to worse financially.
> [a Schedule of William Bolding, Filed Pickens Courthouse, 1834 is given
> at this point which shows a list of worldly goods that seem to be quite
> meager - Yvonne].
> p. 21: Next year, 1835, William went to old Pickens courthouse with
> Jonathan to buy the land being sold by Daniel Durham....A few months
> after this, William went back to Pickens with Allen and Jean Powell to
> buy land adjoining Jonathan and Rebecca. This was her brother
> [hearsay]...Jonathan and Rebecca had four little children:
> Adaline, Melissa, John F. or T., always called Buc, and James Matt....
> p. 21 continued: Rebecca Bolding hada brother who lived in the
> neighborhood named Sampson who was a blacksmith. He was three years
> younger than Rebecca. He married a girl named Jane and they had a large
> family.
> p. 22: By 1847 Jonathan and Rebecca had 10 living children. Daniel Paine,
> Green B., William Nelson, George Washington, Benjamin Marcus, and
> Elizabeth J. had been born. Also in 1847 we find our last mention of
> William. [Yvonne's note: William was charged with assault and battery,
> spent a night in jail March 26, 1847]...The next day, Jonathan paid
> $50.00 to get him out of jail. That was half as much as he had paid for
> his land 12 years before. William paid $100.00 to get out of it and
> whether he left the country, died or whatever, this is the last of him in
> Pickens or Pea Ridge....Three years later, the 1850 census for the entire
> Pickens District, composed of the present Pickens and Oconee counties,
> list only the family of Jonathan Bolding to be found in any spelling of
> the name as living there.
> p. 23: Jonathan and Rebecca Bolding had twelve living children by the end
> of 1850. He was 44 years old, she 38, and seemingly prosperous according
> to standards of an individual, non-slave-holding farmer...The children
> named in order:
> Adaline
> Melissa
> John F. (or T.)
> James M. (Matt)
> Daniel P.
> Green B.
> William N. (William Nelson Bolding)
> George W.
> Marcus (Benjamin Marcus {Yvonne's notes: also called Mark}
> Elizabeth Jane
> Elonden Catherine
> Rebecca Susan
> ....There are supposed to be four infants dead. Several remember hearing
> that there were sixteen in all......this cannot be verified.
> p. 25: The girls married young. Adaline married William Pilgrim, who
> lived close by. He was the son of Jefferson and Hannah Pilgrim. Melissa
> married a William Collins. He was not a close neighbor...Bud is a
> mystery. Census records later show a person of the same name married to a
> girl named Margaret, with three little children, Rebecca, Belle, and
> Cook. Matt married a pretty girl named Nancy Vaughn. His and Jonathan's
> post office was listed as Wolf Creek. All settled in the near
> neighborhood, always in the sight of Six Mile Mountain.
> John T. (or F. or Bud} went to Pendleton and signed up for a year's
> enlistment in Gregg's First Regiment, SC infanty on Feb. 4, 1861.
> Yvonne's notes: Daniel Paine Bolding died November 1861, and Green died
> January 18, 1862.
> p. 29: j. Matt went to Pendleton and joined Co. 1, Palmetto
> Sharpshooters, under Capt. F. . Garvin. This was Feb. 21, 1863. His age
> is written wrong...J. Matt is listed killed, on state rolls of
> Petersburg, on Capt. Garvin's roll at Gettysburg. The War Department
> lists an unknown private named Bowling from Pickens District died of
> wounds in a hospital in Tennessee. After careful search of all Boldings
> of any spelling from Pickens District, it seems that this was Bud (John
> F. or John T.). He had enlisted for a year in Gree's outfit, was released
> and when he went back with Matt to rejoin, the person writing the list
> put Joseph T. instead of John T. All records were handwritten, some
> almost illegible, and a check mark for Joseph T. being killed could
> easily have been read for J. Matt. Since Jonathan's family could never
> find any trace of him, this one unexplained solder must have been Bud.
> Matt came home unwounded.
> p. 38: The following obituary was in The Pickens Sentinel for April 5,
> 1883...Mrs. Bowlin, a venerable old lad, relict of Jonathan Bowlin, died
> at her residence in the Six Mile section of the county last week. She
> leaves a large family of children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren
> to mourn her death.
> p. 41: Some of the family went on to other states. Matt's eldest,
> William, went to Alabama, Adaline's Ella went to Georgia. In 1886,
> Adaline died. She was buried in the old burying ground. Matt's Nancy had
> died and she was buried at Praer's. His daughter, Rebecca was married,
> and his other son, Monroe, went to Alabama. The Pickens Sentinel for
> March 24, 1887: Mr. J. M. Bowlin expects to leave this week for San
> Mountain, Alabama. He is a sober, industrious young man, and has already
> been quite successful. He certainly deserves it...Matt married again, a
> woman much younger than he, named Martha Garner. They had a large family.
> Yvonne
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "Rockhouse Pottery" <ouch at rtmc.net>
> To: "Bolling Family Group 5" <bollingresearch at bolling5.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bolling5] Fw: Re: Joseph Bolden, Greenville SC
> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:17:30 -0400 (EDT)
>
> Diane is right, (1796 ?) but they lived at one time in Clay Co., KY and
> Clay Co., IN. Likely find the same lines in both today. Ken
>
>> Hazael,
>>
>> There is a Mark Boling who moved to Clay Co., IN from NC. He was born
>> in
>> 1796 and is the son of Benjamin Boling & Talitha Hancock so is Group 6.
>>
>> Diane
>>
>>
>>
>> From: haztay at swbell.net
>> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:36 AM
>> To: Bolling Family Group 5
>> Subject: Re: [Bolling5] Fw: Re: Joseph Bolden, Greenville SC
>>
>>
>> I am failry sure that there was a Mark Bolling Bolin or Bolen
>> mentioned as Uncle Mark by his nephew who wrote a letter about his
>> line moving to Indianna from Hillsboro NC [but there are several
>> Hillsboro's and I am not sure which one.]
>> Hazael
>>
>> --- On Thu, 3/18/10, waltyvonne at netzero.net
>> <waltyvonne at netzero.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: waltyvonne at netzero.net <waltyvonne at netzero.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Bolling5] Fw: Re: Joseph Bolden, Greenville SC
>> To: bollingresearch at bolling5.com
>> Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 10:19 PM
>>
>>
>> Dear Doris, my computer is still crashed, so I don't have any
>> access to my files, but I am somewhat confused by your statement:
>> "Grace and I have exchanged in years passed just as Lenny Green
>> and I have. Lenny doesn't accept that his John R B is s/o of
>> Obediah, and certainly Grace doesn't know who her Joseph A's
>> father is either." Are you talking about John R. Boland as being
>> the son of Obediah (the Obediah that is the brother to Collins?)
>> If so, that definitely is not correct! Obediah's son (the
>> Obediah who is the brother of Collins) is John T. Bolding, born
>> 03 Apr 1793 in South Carolina. He died 22 Apr 1862 in Union
>> County, Arkansas. John T. Bolding married Nancy Shaffer or
>> Schaeffer (1803-1875). They married about 1822, probably in
>> Tennessee. This family is well documented! John T. Bolding's
>> brother is William Langley Bolding, born abt 1795, who married
>> Laticia Douglas 17 Oct 1824, Margaret Bolding, born abt 1798,
>> Rbecca Bolding born 1802, Nancy Bolding born 10 Sep 1803, died 19
>> Oct 1875 in Union County, Arkansas and probably an unknown
>> brother born somewhere 1800-1810. The children of John T.
>> Bolding and Nancy Shaffer or Schaeffer (Nancy born 10 Sep 1803,
>> died 19 Oct 1875 Union County, Arkansas is buried at George's
>> Chapel, New London, Union, Arkansas) are:
>> William M. Bolding, born 10 Jan 1821 McMinn County, TN, died 28
>> Feb 1881 Bolding, Union, Arkansas, married Elizabeth E. "Lizzie"
>> Dollar 16 Nov 1865 in Union County, Arkansas
>> Mary A. Bolding, born abt 1825
>> George V. Bolding, born abt 1827
>> Sarah J. Bolding, born abt 1830
>> John T. Bolding born abt 1836
>> Nancy E. Bolding, born abt 1842
>> I believe that I do have a Benjamin Marcus Bolding/all
>> spellings
>> somewhere in my files on my computer that I cannot access. When
>> and if I am able to get the computer fixed (it won't even boot up
>> at present) I will check the name "Mark" or Marcus" for you.
>>
>> Yvonne
>>
>>
>>
>> ling Family Group 5 <bollingresearch at bolling5.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Bolling5] Fw: Re: Joseph Bolden, Greenville SC
>> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:53:19 -0600
>>
>> 16 March 2010
>>
>> Yvonne & Ernie - here is a posting which I believe should be
>> given some consideration about the family of Collins!
>>
>> "This sworn statement of Henry Bain is the most profound clues
>> we
>> have to the family of John R Boling (various spellings) ...
>>
>> State of Arkansas
>> County of Garland
>>
>> I Henry Bain of Garland County Arkansas, who being duly sworn
>> depose and say; I am the identical person who married Mary
>> Boland, the daughter of John R. Boland in the year I think in
>> 1838 in Dekalb County and the state of Tennessee. I do not know
>> the father of John R. Boland, but have the names of the brothers
>> of John R. Boland as Obia, James, and Mark Boland. He had one
>> sister named Fannie, who married John Boles in South Carolina.
>> The said Peter Bain is the son of Mary Boland and was born in the
>> year 1842 and I am his father. I am 81 years of age and I have
>> resided in Garland County about 18 years and still a citizen of
>> Garland County
>> "I must believe that "Obia" is actually Obadiah. I have never
>> found Mark (Marcus?) and he may be using a different first name.
>> I am uncertain at this time who the father was of John, but
>> suspect it may be a John also."
>>
>> Above posted to Bolding Genforum Message 558 dated July 7, 2009
>> by Lenny Green. in response to Grace Walker. Grace posted this
>> message also to the Bolding Genforum to which Lenny responded.
>> "Please contact me. I have Obadiah Bolding 1850 census Hardin
>> Co.
>> TN with a Joseph A. Bolding living nearby. They are the only
>> Boldings on the census for Hardin Co. Have descent from Joseph A.
>> Grace in Texas"
>>
>> Grace and I have exchanged in years passed just as Lenny Green
>> and I have. Lenny doesn't accept that his John R B is s/o of
>> Obediah, and certainly Grace doesn't know who her Joseph A's
>> father is either.
>> Doris
>>
>>
>>
>> waltyvonne at netzero.net wrote:
>>
>> Dear Ernie, I just got back from a day in Saltl Lake
>> visiting
>> doctors and will have to spend at least 5 hours seeing a doctor
>> and having tests tomorrow, so will not be able to reply until
>> Thursday. I still have the problem of not being able to use my
>> own computer - it won't even start, so my information will be
>> limited.
>> Yvonne
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: EPERRY4616 at aol.com
>> To: bollingresearch at bolling5.com
>> Subject: Re: [Bolling5] Fw: Re: Joseph Bolden, Greenville SC
>> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:50:29 EDT
>>
>>
>> Yvonne --
>> Again, we so glad to hear from you. Can you tell us about
>> your
>> Seals, please? I might have the wrong name but it's close, I
>> think.
>>
>> Ernie
>>
>> In a message dated 3/15/2010 2:09:39 P.M. Eastern Standard
>> Time, waltyvonne at netzero.net writes:
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>> From: waltyvonne at netzero.net
>> To: Bolling Family Group 5 <bollingresearch at bolling5.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Bolling5] Joseph Bolden, Greenville SC
>> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:53:35 GMT
>>
>>
>> Re Joseph Bolden & Collins Bolding -
>> Diane I have not been able to identify the children of
>> Collins other than my own direct ancestor, John M. Bolding
>> (Bolen). I strongly suspect that Obediah, born age 43 1850
>> Census, Hardin County, Tennessee, born in South Carolina is
>> the son of Collins and NOT the son of Obediah as other
>> researchers claim. His birth date proves he cannot be
>> Obediah's son. Regarding census records of Obediah (brother
>> to Collins): 1800 Census, Greenville County, SC, household
>> 779, Image 40, Obediah Bowlen 2 males under 10 (born between
>> 1790-1800; 1810 Census Greenville County, SC, Image 21, O.
>> Boling 2 males, 10 through 15 (born 1795-1800. Regarding
>> census records of Collins (brother to Obediah) Collins is
>> found on the 1810 Census, Greenville County, SC, Image 114
>> with 4 males under 10; 1820 Census, Greenville County, SC,
>> Image 13 Colling Bolen, he has 2 males under 10 and 1 MALE
>> 10-16 (most likely Obediah); 1830 Census McMinn County, TN,
>> page 195, Image 129, Collins has 3 males 20 to 30 (Obediah
>> most likely one of them, born in 1807). Remember that the
>> 1850 census of Hardin County, TN reveals Obadiah and wife
>> Louisa with children listed at the time as Nancy C (who
>> married Perry Tucker), Thomas W., Lemuel J., Sarah J.,
>> Prudence C., Elizabeth A., Lucinda A., and Terissa. I
>> strongly dispute the findings that this Obediah, age 43 in
>> 1850 is the son of Obediah. I strongly suspect that this
>> Obediah is the son of Collins instead. I also suspect that
>> the Joseph A. Bolding, wife Sarah Williams (in Verona 1860
>> census), and the 1850 census in Hardin County TN in close
>> proximity to Obediah (age 43 in 18450) COULD BE the son of
>> Collins. The LDS IIGI gives Joseph A Boldling's birthdate
>> about 1814, of South Carolina. A look at the census records
>> supports this theory: 1820 census Greenville County, SC
>> (Image 13, Bolen, Colling, 2 males under 10 (one probably
>> Joseph A.); 1830 Census of McMinn County, TN, page 195, Image
>> 129, 1 male 15 to 20 (probably Joseph A.); 1840 census.
>> Notes on John M. Bolding/wife Elizabeth (my direct
>> ancestor):
>> 1830 Census McMinn County, Tennessee, John is listed as
>> between 30-40 years of age. His wife is listed as between
>> 20-30 years of age. He is living next to his father Collins.
>> (1830 Census, McMinn County, Tennessee, page 194 and 195.
>> I have not yet proven the above to be true. Unfortunately,
>> my computer crashed last night and it won't even start up, so
>> I can't pull up any further information or documentation
>> other than what is stated above.
>> Yvonne
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: "Diane Jones" <joejones at ckt.net>
>> To: <haztay at swbell.net>, "Bolling Family Group 5"
>> <bollingresearch at bolling5.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Bolling5] Joseph Bolden, Greenville SC
>> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:24:56 -0600
>>
>>
>> Re Joseph Bolden & Collins Bolding - since from the deed
>> they
>> appear to live next to one another, you have to wonder if
>> they are father & son or maybe brothers. I don't think we can
>> say that we have identified all of John & Rebecca's children.
>> Have Collins children all been identified?
>>
>> Diane
>>
>>
>>
>> From: haztay at swbell.net
>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:16 PM
>> To: Bolling Family Group 5
>> Subject: Re: [Bolling5] Joseph Bolden, Greenville SC
>>
>>
>> That is true but I am nearly sure that the DNA says
>> that we are not that closely related to that line from
>> John & Rebecca.
>>
>> --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Diane Jones <joejones at ckt.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Diane Jones <joejones at ckt.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Bolling5] Joseph Bolden, Greenville
>> SC
>> To: bollingresearch at bolling5.com
>> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 1:53 PM
>>
>>
>> Doris,
>>
>> Collins Bolding was born 1770-1780 so he is
>> certainly
>> near the age of your John Bolding and Hazael's James
>> Bolding.
>>
>> Diane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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